Note that the STEP study mentioned below is, Let me start by saying that there have been gold standard studies before and after STEP that reached the opposite conclusion: that the group receiving prayer had better outcomes, she said. Converted to Pelican theme by Brian Blais. And remember Think Biblically about everything. I had a lot of connections with Africa, different parts of Africa. We don't know the timeline at all or the specifics, or any actual measurements. Sometimes God uses things. I mean there was one person, it was so crazy. You don't mix, say, corrected and uncorrected measurements in a timeline unless you provide both at every time point you have. This is incredibly compelling stuff. Certainly, Jesus gave a bright future to Barbara Snyder in 1981. So what made you want to go in this direction? Barbara Snyder, JD'80, is president of the Association of American Universities (AAU), an organization composed of America's leading research universities. I think we can. It's been shown that there is a high survival rate for patients with their heart rhythm responds to shocks. You should receieve a confirmation email shortly. Elijah: they can verify that before and afterwards and i'm not sure it's rational to call those uh uh just coincidences like you're assuming some type of causality there um and i i think if you even allow for the possibility of something like the christian god to exist then um you've got to take seriously that it could be his action and then make an inference to the best explanation and where i think the voice of science comes in the best is in eliminating hypotheses not necessarily proving that's his voice and so you can go back and go well there's seven different hypotheses science can help us before eliminating some and then we've got two or three and we've got to critically think and go what do i think's most likely the case and i think that's the human situation and we make that call all the time we make it in court. Barbara Rook "Babs" Snyder is an American academic and president of the Association of American Universities. I mean I can explain theologically the already not yet of the Kingdom why it doesn't happen to everybody, but why this one and not that one? ago The fact that there are only two or three of these, that these are the best they have, given all of this time is damning evidence against their case that miracles actually occur at even the 1% level. And the reason Usually people don't get medical documentation even when it's available. She has extensive experience in reinforcing Case Western Reserves Even if miracles could be the case, regardless of your worldview, how would you be able to demonstrate that God did it? Read Barbara's Blog for blog posts and speeches from the Presidenton prominent and emerging issues facing research universities and the broader higher education community. The story is that this person had a condition where they couldn't eat normally, were fed with a tube, and this persisted for 16 years. I mean there are, there's lots of Kingdom fortes that we're experiencing now. Sure. James: can we just make it a thing to always mention that like although it's not that popular these days that deism or non-interventionist form of theism are a thing like you can totally believe in god and still not be okay with miracles? But she starts dancing around, jumping around. The latter has more eyewitness testimony than we have for Barbara Snyder. And by teacher time it was 200 pages I decided okay, this needs to be a separate book. Millions of unique designs by independent artists. I hear the theist complaining about how hard it is to test miracles and I find the objection lame. Each of these is far harder than the rather trivial challenges to testing miracle claims. President Barbara R. Snyder is president of the Association of American Universities. What are some of the things that just sort of blew your mind that you researched, heard about, read about, came into first hand contact with as you explored this subject. 13800 Biola Ave, La Mirada CA 90639 BiolaUniversity, Inc. All Rights Reserved. But after a while it just becomes so overwhelming, but I said, "You know, I'm too skeptical myself. So things got delayed. It's not just a few people. fall transition to the AAU will depend on the progress of the search process. But we also had the medical documentation. We see this with homeopathy, where well-controlled studies are negative and then dismissed because treatments were not individualized. In particular, it includes an interview with Barbara Snyder, who was instantaneously healed from advanced multiple sclerosis, as also attested by her two physicians. Barbara Rook "Babs" Snyder is an American academic and president of the Association of American Universities. The situation was pretty hopeless until something quite shocking happened. The Mayo Clinic had diagnosed Barbara with multiple sclerosis. I commented on the story here but there is very little to go on. She had to stop and think to kind of calculate, well to get from this village to that village with this mountain and that mountain, she said, "About three hours.". My initial thought was that , A physics problem from a practice AP test came to my attention, when my daughter was in AP physics this past spring. Indianapolis, Indiana. At least there is documentation published at https://seangeorge.com.au/my-story/medical-details/. It also includes the audio recording of Duane Miller as he is being spontaneously healed of his permanent, severe vocal chord damage. We wouldn't conclude that these things actually happened as reported, especially given the gaps in the timelines. She was healed just suddenly. Visit Pure Flix for access to thousands of faith and family friendly movies and TV shows. So Craig thanks so much for being with us. If you make such a claim, and that higher-than-average standard is not met, then you cannot be confident in that claim. It's not just about the priors, it's the fact that to be consistent, once you raise your prior for one sort of claim you're doing it for many others -- many claims that you probably don't want to accept. She's on her deathbed," Strobel explained. #religion. Finding Miracles in the Moments April 8, 2022 by Barbara Snyder 16 Comments I love to explore the outdoors with my grandkids, especially when our adventures lead us into the woods. "One day, one of her friends called WMBI, which is the radio station in Chicago run by the Moody Bible Institute, and said, 'Pray for Barbara. Synder ended up in hospice care with a no-resuscitation order; she was nearly blind, her hands and body were curled and she had a tube in her throat to help her breath as well as a tube in her stomach to ensure proper nourishment. None of these steps are taken in any of these cases. Do you have a testimony that is medically verified?. In his book, The Case for Miracles, evangelist Lee Strobel cites the miraculous healing of Barbara Snyder that took place nearly 30 years ago. I also think that there is a two-stage process for investigating these and similar processes (i.e. in economics from Southern Methodist University. This one actually is, I think this one is not in the book because I came across this afterwards. About a week and a half later at my daughter Allison's soccer there were like 20 families and 20 moms and dads there and one of the fathers that I had said hi to but i didn't know him, walks up to me and he says "Hi, I'm so-and-so" and I said "I'm JP" and he said "how are you doing?" It was easier for me for some cultures than for other cultures. This article was originally published on Pure Flix Insider. candidates for its presidency.. Scott Rae: Here, here. become the next leader of the organization that represents the 63 leading such profound challenges across so many fronts, I felt an obligation to answer He encountered scores of healings and other claims of the miraculous along the way, but there was one case in particular that truly blew his mind: the case of Barbara Snyder. I mean it's only a fraction of what's out there, but there was a Pew Forum Study done in, I think, 2006 of Pentecostals and Charismatics in 10 countries that concluded Well if you look at the percentages of Pentecostals and Charismatics who claimed to have witnessed divine healing and then the hard numbers of those in those countries, it comes out to somewhere around 200 million people in those 10 countries alone, who claim to have witnessed are experienced divine healing. And we'll have a way that you can access that in the transcript of this. It also highlights the need for detailed timelines to establish what the effect really is, before trying to grasp at causes. Psychics do this all the time as well. Brian: Well actually I think you can do a bit better than that by using essentially the case studies to say, okay, these are the sorts of situations where we would expect miracles to happen and what types of miracles we might see , sometimes we have things that go into remission so how do we rule that out, we have to come up with some kind of randomized control study in order to test miracles. The deaf will hear. The statements about being brain dead are all unsubstantiated -- there was oxygen both from the chest compressions and when he was hooked up to machinery. Once you admit there are other agents, you need a process for actually determining that God -- as opposed to some other agent or natural process -- actually was the cause. She never quotes her doctors about her condition, and provides no documentation whatsoever -- there is simply nothing to work with. This is the pattern we see of something that is non-existent, and the healings follow this exact same pattern. "Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. I mean Grant still prayed for healing all his life. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and. The Surfaris were a California garage band with an average age of 15 who had been successful enough playing at sock hops and house parties that they were able to acquire a manager. The way people like the stories highlights their way of thinking and provides a teachable moment about like why don't we trust claims just from the claims, even if it has a peer-reviewed journal article. #media. So we understand it's not, it's not saying that somebody has lack of faith. That is the definition of supernatural. Done! View the profiles of people named Barbara Snyder. Taking the story as the evidence is problematic. What is more striking, especially for people who don't like Pentecostals or Charismatics, what's more striking is that the survey also in those 10 countries dealt with Christians who didn't consider themselves Pentecostal or Charismatic. Now that also put me through some struggles because we were already close friends at that point. And so he's already saying in his ministry the Kingdom is being expressed. We should celebrate that. And, in fact, one doctor described her as being one of the most hopelessly ill patients he'd ever encountered.. In response, Snyder said, "I am proud to be president of Case Western Reserve and intend to continue in this role for many years to come. credentials as both a highly regarded research institution and as a place where I doubt Keener has tried to actually get this done beyond the anecdotal level. Intercessory prayer commences and one day he awakes to find his or her arm back on their body, intact. After you lace up your boots, hit the trail. for her new role. Sometimes there really isn't enough available evidence to substantiate a claim. It was a prospective, randomized, double-blinded, controlled study of four hundred subjects. I, sometimes I'll joke it's obvious looking at me that healing doesn't always happen. perhaps this was the case here either with a longer resolving time (N=11 is not that large)? The James Randi foundation did this as well, with a preliminary test before the more in-depth test. James: Shermer's essential point is how do you distinguish charlatans from real miracles and the answer is well you weigh up the evidence and you look at the best explanation. In principle I believed it, but I was questioning witnesses with kind of a skeptical approach to try to whittle away anything that wasn't necessarily accurate. ", Scott Rae: Yeah, so you had to, I guess you had to check your own-. James says, to refuse to put in the controls to avoid the biases we know we have, is a form of dogmatism -- we're looking for the result we already believe and we refuse to put in the methods that would allow us to isolate the different variables. If you enjoyed our conversation today, give us a rating on your podcast app. And it's all very well documented too. "But my skepticism didn't go away.". They're not replicable but if there's a pattern like nine times out of ten where this happens it's in the context of prayer, that should say something. The fact that they can only produce two or three, with serious procedural and reporting issues, is strong evidence that this effect is non-existent. J.P. Moreland points out that, well this was a number of years ago, maybe 10 years ago, he pointed out that in the previous three decades about 70% of all Evangelical growth had been due to signs and wonders. But there are other cases were the person had been dead for eight hours. I mean I, at the beginning I was expecting to find some reports of different kinds of healings that had already been collected in the booked. It also points to placebo as a possible contributor to the perceived magnitude of the improvement -- the amount of improvement is likely to be perceived to be higher given the expectation. I think it also is evident that the theists aren't serious about studying these things, and are content to believe things on bad evidence. But you in the west, you have this wonderful medical technology. This seems really strange, if we are to believe the magnitude of the healing -- she claims to have gone from nearly blind to nearly perfect instantaneously, yet doesn't get this checked out immediately? So even when, you know it doesn't happen to all of us. As an Atheist, of course it didn't. From my reading also, MS can also go into spontaneous remission -- usually temporary -- but we don't have any follow-ups, detailed timelines documented, etc We have stories. She is an elected member of the American Law Institute. Medical science has come a long way recognizing the fact that humans are easily fooled, they see patterns and agency where there isn't any good evidence, and biology is messy enough that uncertainty is always something to consider. But there, the book is just full, both volumes, full of these remarkable stories like this. And certainly one shouldn't be willing to upend ones knowledge of how the universe works based on one report by one doctor on one patient. You can see why these stories are powerful and you can see why people really get motivated by them nd so i think it is important to respond to them because of that. The entire approach of those arguing for miracles focuses on the (presumed) successes but in any real study for a treatment, we need to know all of the cases -- the ones that worked and the ones that didn't -- to provide evidence of efficacy. They want the positive results and the authority that comes from the scientific enterprise, yet they aren't willing to put in the real work to earn that authority. There is nothing even close to an arm growing back. Now, Strobel, whose personal story was told through the Pure Flix feature film, book anddocumentarytitled The Case for Christ, has released The Case for Miracles, a new investigative book that relies on facts, interviews, and studies to further explore spiritual matters. As she listened, she said that she heard a male voice coming from the corner of the rooma voice she now believes was God. As you may expect, the studio's ruse is eventually found out, Lina never makes movies again and Kathy becomes a star and happily hooks up with the leading man. God can heal us through medicine. And so that's kind of what prompted me to investigate this issue.. All rights reserved. Given Keener's habits of simplifying and distorting the actual original claims, and the demonstration throughout all of this that his standards for evidence are terribly low, it calls into question is entire 1300 page book on miracles. Bad Apologetics Ep 20 - Miracles & even MORE even NEWER Resurrection evidence, Unbelievable? diagnosis by the Mayo Clinic, her condition declined over the next 15 years. They were saying "This is all from Congo. (Read also:Are the Biblical End Times upon us? And now she has a Masters degree from the seminary in Cameroon. perhaps a thickening of the intestine would look like a regrowth? If you are willing to believe the Barbard Snynder case, then you should be willing to believe this woman was healed of Parkinson's with "Energy Healing" or you should believe in the Golden Plates of Joseph Smith (making you a Mormon). The study mentioned by Strobel in the video above, and the one I mention in relation to healings of deafness and blindness and how it compares (very favorably) to hypnosis studies, The following is a section from Strobels book that references some of the gold standard scientific studies that show the effectiveness of prayer, which I briefly mentioned in the podcast. Visit Pure Flix for access to thousands of faith and family friendly movies and TV shows. One day, one of her friends called WMBI, which is the radio station in Chicago run by the Moody Bible Institute, and said, 'Pray for Barbara. We really appreciate your taking the time to come be on the podcast with us. Now normally somebody's healed, they're still gonna have, their muscles are still going to be atrophied if they've been unable to walk for a long time. These are both testable, yet there seems to be little effort by theists to improve the studies, they seem to rather prefer falling back on case studies. And the way we proceed is that we use medical science to eliminate the six and we can't really confirm or disconfirm the last remaining one but because we eliminated all of the alternatives that must be the one right or at least it's reasonable to believe that this is the one -- it's the best explanation. Craig Keener: Yeah, I could give you a 1000 pages worth of examples, but I'll tell you one that really blew my mind and that was, because it was something so close to us. There was no medical help available in the village so she strapped the child to her back and ran to a nearby village where family friend [inaudible] was doing ministry. also understands AAU and the broader university and scientific communities Do extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence? #unbelievable research universities in the U.S., as well as two in Canada. Snyder, who became president of Case Western Reserve He is the F.M. Some were tested in prosperity. James: Keener says simultaneously that there are hundreds of millions of cases but also that none of this can be replicated. I said "I'm doing well" and he said "Well listen this may sound odd to you, but could you use a pool table?". And her hands had been curled up so much that every few months they had to uncurl her hands to get the dead skin out. And we give Glory to God whenever we get the opportunity to be a part of those, but it's, we don't expect that, that the Kingdom, that we'll have experienced the Kingdom in its fullest now. And she'd also gone blind. I think we could say your relationship with Medine and how you guys, the two of you made it together, counts as one of those major miracles in your life. On this episode, she lays out the case for investing more in academic research, and what we may lose if we don't. Subscribe to Big Brains on Apple Podcasts , Stitcher and Spotify. Previously, she has served as chair of the board of directors of the American Council on Education, chair of the board of directors at the Business-Higher Education Forum, vice chair of the board of trustees of Internet2, a member of the board of directors of the Greater Cleveland Partnership, a member of the board of directors of Jobs Ohio, a trustee ofUniversity Circle Inc., and a member of the Ohio Business Roundtable. There were plenty of other stories just like it, too. Without further data, it is impossible to rule out these things, but you'd think the data would be available with something this recent? Craig Keener: Greg Spencer is a case of this. Now, I know you can read headlines so you know this was a study of proximal intercessory prayer, but the point is even if you assess the details of the study divorced from knowledge of what the intervention is, it should be obvious that this study tells us nothing. I was talking with Antoinette Malumbay with my wife translating for me 'cause my wife knew the story only second hand herself. And just trying to stay ahead of the soldiers and the fighting. They're meant to be signs of the Kingdom. How has the book been received, both in Christian circles and then outside Christian circles? A lot of accounts have been published from Asia. If someone says a treatment works, even at the 1% level, it is tested carefully to see if it works -- especially if there are no obvious side effects. But I think there's a good representative sample. Stories of recalled past memories from past lives only occurs within religions that support reincarnation. It is justified to demand better evidence, because we do that for even more modest claims, and we have centuries of data on the failings of human reasoning in inferring causes from effects. The Mayo Clinic had diagnosed Barbara with multiple sclerosis. We will be fully healed with our resurrection bodies. It's part of the lowering of the standards of evidence. I think a lot of times people will see something as a miracle because we're inclined to believe in miracles, you can also have confirmation bias to say I'm inclined not to see this as a miracle because I just don't think those things happen. my peers call to work on behalf of all of our institutions.. [] these things actually do tend to happen in certain circles more than more than in others and that's why for me it would be hard for me to see it as a is a coincidence. A legal scholar, Snyder was the first woman to serve as the Case Western's president. A document going through these particular medical statements with citations can be found here. Thank you so much for having me. "It got to the point where she was dying. but there comes a point when enough is enough. So I guess, what surprised you the most as a result of your study from when you set out to do this to when you got to the end? Barbara began her academic career as an assistant professor at Case Western Reserves School of Law, then joined the faculty of Moritz College of Law at The Ohio State University. They dont want you to see this Big Tech does its best to limit what news you see. "And so that's kind of what prompted me to investigate this issue.". Even in seemingly obvious cases. 5 John Wilkes Booth's Brother and Abe Lincoln's Son . And so I guess my first question is, what motivated you to undertake that because your field has been pretty technical New Testament studies. However studies also show about 80% of ER nurses and 64% of ER doctors believe lunar cycles affect patients' mental health, even though the data do not support such an effect. Or even the most dramatic story I found from somebody that I or my wife knows, but this one was particularly mind blowing to me because Antoinette Malumbay was my mother-in-law and Terese is my sister-in-law. The story is of a person who was paralyzed from the waist down due to a car accident and 22 years later they were prayed for and healed. READ ALSO: Columbine Survivor's Powerful Lessons After Facing Terror. You just wonder how legitimate are these miracle claims in the 21st century? Strobel said. Likewise, Americans are quite prone to believing in the potential occurrence of miracles. The maternal mortality rate in childbirth is so much higher there. It's always possible to ask for more (Couldn't more doctors have seen it? She earned her bachelors degree from OSU. After his conversion, Lee worked briefly as a pastor before moving into an apologetics ministry focusing on writing and video productions. We have seen this with acupuncture after well-controlled trials were negative, some proponents decided that pragmatic (i.e. So we're talking about something like hundreds of millions of people. In 1972, having been blind for over 12 years, the individual reportedly regained her vision instantaneously after receiving proximal-intercessory-prayer (PIP). I'm your host, Scott Rae, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University. And there were a number of other people who also, who were there at the occasion, who knew him before and after, who could testify to this. We we need a whole lot of a whole lot of cases to be able to to examine that. How can I help? And in each case, it's a witness to God's Glory where God gives grace to overcome in different kinds of situations. Author and evangelist Lee Strobel was once an atheist who served as the legal affairs editor for the Chicago Tribune before embarking on a quest to try and disprove Christianityan effort that ironically led him to embrace faith. To contact us or to submit an article, click here. It still could fit James, Chapter Five or gifts of healings for those of us who believe in that. Hey, thanks for listening. And of course, accounts from the west, it was easier to get the medical documentation so there were strengths with a lot of these. Is it a miracle? It's not the fullness. It also includes the audio recording of Duane Miller, Contains an interview with Bruce Van Natta, the mechanic I referenced who lost most of his small intestines in an accident and was later healed. He is, let's just say he is one of the most prolific biblical scholars that I'm aware of and is so productive. Quoting myself here (from this post). Some of them, some of the critiques were based on an interview with me that was published in Christianity Today, rather than the book itself. All rights reserved. So tell our listeners some of the stories that you uncovered as a result of your research. I had the pleasure of being a guest on the Real Seekers podcast and discussing / debating miracles with Matthew (atheist) and Dale (Christian) last week. Strobel said. This barely qualifies as a pilot study. Half received prayer; the other half didnt. This explores some of the rarer causes, but more importantly, the study they reference for the viral cause for the condition had cases that resolved in as long as 2 years (N=11). The fact that the best theists can come up with are so readily handled should be a caution to anyone trusting their claims. And even after CPR is stopped, there is an observed phenomenon of spontaneous recovery of heart activity after as much as 15 minutes, and his recovered after 10 minutes. So sometimes we don't see the outcome. I mean not that it was deliberately anti-supernatural, but it was deliberately non-supernatural. In his most recent book, Strobel decided to look at miracles. I just was trying to write a footnote for my Acts Commentary because one of the arguments against the reliability of Acts, you know, one fifth of Acts or one third of Mark roughly, deal with miracles. So it was just going to be a footnote, but as I researched it more and more it grew more and more. National Colloquium on Library Special CollectionsPresident's RemarksBarbara Snyder, President, Case Western Reserve University10/22/2014President's remarksC. READ ALSO: Are the Biblical End Times Upon Us? I don't believe Barbara Snyder was cured by the intervention of some agent outside the natural world. A comparison of base-rates is needed and Keener doesn't seem to care about this when it comes to miracles. Elijah: I also think we in the west have a bias toward poor people as not having knowledge of when something's dead or an arm is broken or something of that nature and so I think when people put themselves in situations where they pray for the sick and a whole village knows this child was born blind from birth they're 15 years old and that person sees gets their sight back and this is a different religion and that village testifies he was blind now, he sees that is a different scenario than we're talking about here and the lens of science really can't speak to that. Knowledge falls on a continuum. What would happen if two people out in space a few meters apart, abandoned by their spacecraft, decided to wait until gravity pulled them together? He ended up reading and it led him into a life of scholarship. I confess I haven't made it through all 1000 pages. I don't understand how it's possible for both those things to be true. Likewise, Americans are quite prone to believing in the potential occurrence of miracles. Look, I have male pattern balding. And then some months later war came to her hometown in [inaudible] and she had to flee again. A woman name Barbara Cummiskey Snyder was on the verge of death from MS that she had had for over 15 years. We make a mistake in the episode here about corrected vs uncorrected vision measurements. 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