Cookie Settings/Do Not Sell My Personal Information. But through the process of making the record and, you know, all the things that go with that, the hours and the tedium, it got easier for us to have conversations, not because we were doing the work of addressing the problems but because we were found common ground on something again, which has always been music and words. Too caught up in the way I want you rolling over me. Got myself a breakthrough case of Covid, the Alabama-born artist tweeted Tuesday. Jason Isbell and his wife, Amanda Shires, were walking around last weekend in Newport, Rhode Island, where they played the Newport Folk Festival. I was gifted as a girl. Every one of them except for me survived. Lets get back to my interview with singer-songwriter and musician Amanda Shires. Do you have you do a great version of Im Your Man, his song, Im Your Man, on YouTube. GROSS: So this track features you, Natalie Hemby and Yola as a guest artist on it. Maybe I was asking for a little too much. Theyre just songs because everybody goes through troubles in their relationship. Amanda Shires' To the Sunset comes out Aug. 3. So I started just taking notes on the radio because I heard it. Shires started playing fiddle professionally when she was 15 with the band the Texas Playboys, which used to be led by Bob Wills, the father of Western Swing. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. SHIRES: Oh, right, in Alcatraz. When I wrote my first piece for Rolling Stone, Id had an abortion before. Demographer Diana Greene Foster conducted a 10-year study tracking both people who had abortions and people who were denied abortions. Were you just, like, the cute kid who could play but, you know that audiences would go wild over because you were a girl in the band and there wasnt much of that? People forget, Shires says. Copyright 2023 Penske Business Media, LLC. GROSS: Without him asking? The attention hes getting for Southeastern, from the opening recovery track Cover Me Up and the brutally stark Elephant to the full-throttle raver Super 8, feels like its coming at the right time, after hed had ample opportunity to get good at what he does. GROSS: Oh, yeah. And why did you want to work it into a song? When we left off, we were talking about when Shires was 15 and started playing fiddle with the Texas Playboys, which used to be Bob Wills band. So lets hear a little bit of that song. For the latest news, follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. It seems like a simple thing to say, but its really true. GROSS: What I hear in your voice is that it rings out. Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires perform at Ryman Auditorium in Nashville. Theres so much attached to folks thinking women treat it as a kind of birth control. The song is called Empty Cups.. So one of the things you learned, like, I think in the past few years is that your grandfather had spent years in prison. Her new album of original songs is called Take It Like A Man. She also co-founded the country supergroup the Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. And Tommy said, if you can hold down that lower third harmony and Id love to, you know, have that spot filled. I still miss the way you lean in. The 100 Best Albums of 2022. I would have died; my daughter, Mercy, would have lost her mother; my husband, Jason, would be a widower. When it came down to it, when I finally got it done and recorded, Amy Coney Barrett had gotten sworn in. And I remember the first time I sang ever, Leon Rausch had to hold my hand. SHIRES: Well, myself and Brandi wrote the song. Isbells first show after finishing rehab was opening solo for Ryan Adams in Perth, Australia, three days after he got out (two, if you count the international dateline, the day that goes into the vortex). And I was like, my granddad was in Alcatraz? Where the fuck are the rest of them? Do you think you would have been able to have the surgery if abortion had already been banned in Texas? You could say its all my fault. And the reason I think that my grandmother knew is because also lately, we found out that my moms oldest sister isnt doesnt have the same dad as her, as my granddad. And I was reading mine. Her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back. Editors picks GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. Im your man. And I also want to thank Zack Sedgefield for playing guitar and also Diana Walsh, who engineered your end of the music and the conversation from your home studio in well, outside of Nashville. All Rights Reserved. Theres nothing left to fix. She was in her home recording studio with her fiddle and with guitarist Zach Setchfield, and they played a few songs. I know everyone is scared of losing their rung on the ladder, but there are more important things, I think, than your fame. / And the fear that I feel when I see my features reversed in my own daughter's face." ", Shires and Isbell have a toddler daughter together, and thanks to gendered assumptions about the distribution of their parenting duties, Shires has fielded more than her share of questions about how she balances motherhood and music-making. Or is this through listening to his records that you feel like youre his disciple? Im your Amanda. Thats the trick.. The way she relaxes into low notes on that last line makes it sound far more like an unembarrassed confession than a complaint. And if you want another kind of love, Ill wear a mask for you. GROSS: Well, in 2020, you and your husband, Jason Isbell, recorded a duet of a song you wrote called The Problem. And the song is from the perspective of a teenage couple. Shires character wrestles with the decision and the right thing to do in her situation, while Isbells character offers his support for whatever decision she makes. With artists and concert promoters nationwide forced to confront a surging spike in infections and hospitalizations attributed to the spread of the delta variant, She was going to school. And but I think for the players in the band, they took me seriously as a player. (Playing fiddle). But anyway, he just grabbed my hand and held it. What does he have to lose? So its probably important to stay alive before you start questioning your liberty.. Im Terry Gross. The spurs of hip bones Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR. SHIRES: No, not until a couple of years ago. I said, itd be cool if I was The Highwomen or maybe had a band The Highwomen. Thats, like, part of your identity on Twitter. Amanda Shires. It made me think, You know, I bet our grandmothers are more pro-choice than everybody leads us to believe.. GROSS: So how seriously were you taken by the musicians in the band? And so you know Ill say, I dont know, but no ones going to be asking me. And I think theres more valuable strength there than there is in suppressing your emotions and poisoning yourself with your own feelings, I guess. And then my mom would drive me down there. And I kept imagining, like, how I had nothing left to give and nothing I could do or say to make anything feel right, like, within me somehow. Despite the many questions as to why she was undergoing the procedure which she described as having "cells removed" despite trolls labeling her a "baby killer" Shires wrote at the time, "The reasons that I chose to have an abortion are personal, and they are mine." It's a sentiment that Shires has echoed many times since. Like, I know that in all of the searching that he did still believe that there was something bigger out there, so I dont have to go trying to learn all these other things. I was lucky. Its an often-times divisive topic, and I dont want to bring any hurt to my family by doing something like putting out a song about this topic, but I lost all that fear when I got angry. The South is in need of a lot of help, Shires tells Rolling Stone. Ive found and scrounged and continued to for every interview that hes done in any form and any language. SHIRES: (Singing) If you want a lover, Ill do anything you ask me to. Its you, Brandi Carlile, Natalie Hemby, Maren Morris. Shires plays fiddle in the band. And after we recorded it, he said, Thats a really good song. And I said, Thats all you have to say. Im so glad you wrote it. So either you have surgery or I think you die. It was keeping me up at night. I would have died had this procedure not been available to me. It was love at first listen. Theres a lot of things you do with your hands, but it struck me the most is matching the feeling of desperation or even begging. Someone saw me sleeping naked in the noon sun. Amanda Shires is a singing, songwriting. It felt like maybe wed both leave at the same time. Michael Schmelling. Its yet another thing that, when policing does happen, is going to happen haphazardly and ruin lives. In 2020, The Highwomen won album of the year at the Americana Music Honors & Awards ceremony. What made you think of yourself as his disciple? Were you in Texas at the time? I know I can take it like Amanda. And I was still dealing with all of it two and a half weeks later. And nobody would let me in, but I sat there anyway. So hold on to your thoughts. Upcoming Dates Past GROSS: You know, youve said that a lot of the songs on this album come from a troubled period of your marriage to songwriter and singer Jason Isbell, who you perform with and who plays on this album. People will have to prove that they have been raped. SHIRES: Ive listened to all of his records. She co-founded the country supergroup The Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. SHIRES: My whole left arm is tattoos of Leonard Cohen. Life cant help but interfere. I had to spend the night with her at work. SHIRES: Thats all you have to say? GROSS: Well, I want to take a short break here. The singer, songwriter and fiddler found comfort with an unexpected collaborator and plumbed new depths on her latest album, Take It Like a Man. Amanda You know, its Jimmy Webbs song originally, but. Amanda Shires, performing during the Americana Awards at Ryman Auditorium on Sept. 22, 2021 in Nashville. And I said, thats all you have to say? And Natalie said, I want the one about preaching. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Kitty Eisele adapted it for the web. SHIRES: I really do feel like he did a lot of work for me that I dont have to do. WebWe would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. Where does that get us with our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights? Jason Isbell) Official Video ft. Jason Isbell Watch on Tour Dates Track to get concert, live stream and tour updates. All the time, the want, the overwhelming volume of breathing. It doesnt have to be Im Your Man. I just know that youve done that. And thats when the fertilized egg stays in the fallopian tube. Shires wrote the song a few years ago and originally imagined it as a conversation between several women, but revamped it to feature her collaborator and husband. To see more, visit. With vacations lagging and the dangerous delta variant spreading, the United States is averaging more than 100,000 new cases a day for the first time since early February. It was love at first listen, Shires says of the fiddle songs. Shires, who was touring with the Texas Playboys when she was still a teenager, has a sense of responsibility thats been good for him, he says. The 100 Greatest TV Shows of All Time Youve been very outspoken about the right to have an abortion. So it was just like a week and a half or two weeks afterwards that Texas banned abortion. And I told my mom to come over because I had something to show her. My daughter was about a year old, and I was getting into my touring van because I hadnt worked my way into a bus yet. SHIRES: Honestly, a lot of times, my thoughts come to me just in pictures. I heard in 22 songs, one womans voice I heard. So what didnt you like about your voice? When she paints a picture of motherhood in the subdued jangle-pop number "Charms," she doesn't dwell on its oft-idealized and sentimentalized facets. I cant see a thing from here. It took me a minute to really learn how to improvise, Shires says of those early years. "I did a parking lot pirouette / I said, 'You're right I'm not done with you yet.'" I just fell in love with the music, is what happened. I was like, Thats what I want to do, because you play this song and then you get to improvise you just play what you feel within the chord. Weve had legal abortions for 50 years and now, suddenly, a long-held right will be illegal. Im not joking. And Zachs going to play guitar. I believe thats when that that became not an option. With artists and concert promoters nationwide forced to confront a surging spike in infections and hospitalizations attributed to the spread of the delta variant, Grammy award-winning musician, Jason Isbell, announced Monday that he and his band, the 400 Unit, will require concertgoers to provide proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-19 test to attend all their future shows, whether they are held indoors or outdoors. It goes, (singing) I woke up this morning, and I looked out my door. But this part of my life in our marriage was difficult. Amid the rise in infections, it was reported last week that one of the worlds most prominent concert promoters, Live Nation, will allow artists performing at its venues to require guests in the U.S. to show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-19 test. And it was a Carrie Underwood song from it was, like, six years before that or something. I heard witchcraft in the whispers and I knew my time had come. A lark in the shower from the night to the morning after. How did you decide to say that these songs are really about a bad period of your marriage? There were probably 2,500 people, and Im just standing there with a guitar, elevated and facing everyone. And I was really into that.. YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Well, why dont you sing some of it for us? SHIRES: Sure. Will you look at me the same? And after he did his time, he didnt say anything about it. Well definitely get to your verse, which is the second one. And when I would write these songs, it was never in my mind, oh, I have to record them. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. We just couldnt get along. And I dont know how I feel about that. For my children, I did what I had to do. And I had been internally bleeding for a whole lot of hours. You had an abortion. And usually that works. SHIRES: About singing, yes. And Bob Wills was, like, the father of Western Swing, which combined country music and jazz. NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) Three months after an emergency heart transplant, Grammy-nominated keyboardist, producer, songwriter and artist Peter Levin As if to match it, she experimented for the first time with filtering the sound of her fiddle through effects pedals, which lends her playing a fierce luminescence. Shires told her producer Dave Cobb, who also served as bassist in the album's indie rock-leaning band (with Isbell on lead guitar), "My violin needs to sound like it's in an aquarium, but more bright. WebAmanda Shires - The Problem (feat. The former Drive-By Truckers newfound sobriety, a recurring topic of discussion (and of his exceptional songwriting), may have cost him some of his sense of adventure, but it has undoubtedly focused his attention on his craft. And I wrote Fault Lines and then I texted it to him, just like youd imagine. Or did you keep the songs, like, kind of secret for a while? Im all for freedom, but I think if youre dead, you dont have any freedoms at all, Isbell said. But, yeah, after a while thinking about it, I got more comfortable with it. Teaching himself to hear his own songs objectively has been one of the harder lessons to learn, he says: Its impossible to get that distance for me. SHIRES: Yep, yep on his songs without asking him. The tracks release SHIRES: It was because Tommy Allsup was living in Snyder, Texas, at that time, and he was running the Bob Wills band. He asserted that the band would cancel the concert if any venue refused to agree to their requirements. A few hours later, his band is peeling the wallpaper with their customary encore cover tune. In 2016 there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. And you got your start professionally at age 15 playing fiddle with the Texas Playboys. No way. Ive been around so many people for so long who were. Why was that the verse that you wrote or sang for yourself? 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So to give listeners a sense of Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys, listeners who dont know who they are, this is a classic 1940 recording of New San Antonio Rose., (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, NEW SAN ANTONIO ROSE), BOB WILLS AND HIS TEXAS PLAYBOYS: (Singing) Deep within my heart lies a melody, a song of old San Antone (ph) San Antone where in dreams I live with a memory beneath the stars, all alone. The song is called Hawk For The Dove.. Which brings up the question, why were Jason and I, and Margo Price, the biggest celebrities quasi-celebrities at the march in Nashville? And then I asked Chance, and Chance was like, no, those are real documents. You may opt-out by, U.S. 'Mandalorian' star Pedro Pascal, creators on new Grogu revelations and 'Last of Us' comparisons, Saved by the bell: Contestant ordered to keep mask on, in historic 'Masked Singer' first, Chris Pine admits 'it does look' like Harry Styles spit on him but this is what actually happened, Rebel Wilson 'collapsed' after Ramona Agruma proposal: 'I was so overwhelmed', Amy Grant recalls being 'so scared' to return to touring following serious bike accident. And while I I know the voice that I have is what I have. I said, I just wrote this song. 825 Eighth Avenue, New York, NY 10019, WNET is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Web0:00 / 2:57 Amanda Shires - Fault Lines (Official Audio) Amanda Shires 26.8K subscribers Subscribe 23K views 6 months ago "Fault Lines" is on Amanda Shires' new album. OK. Which would I rather have? Tomorrow on FRESH AIR, well talk about the power, promise and potential harm of YouTube. Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires Celebrate Vinyl and Indie Retail as Record Store Days 2023 Ambassadors: Were Building the Embassy as We Speak. This happened to me two and a half weeks before Texas abortion ban went into effect. On August 9, 2021 my fallopian tube ruptured. And it was much safer for us to sleep in the closet with the TV at the bail bonding place than to be left to her own devices at home. Learn more about his tour. I know the cost of flight is landing. In 2020, The Highwomen won Album of the Year at the Americana Music Honors and Awards ceremony. In 2016 I was going on the road. And then and neither of them told us that stuff. So did you ever visit her at work? And I was thinking about how much the stories matter. And then she wanted to know if it was real, so she hired a private investigator and all this. ISBELL: (Singing) Im on your side. Then I told my friend Dave Cobb about my idea and he really liked it, and he said, Im going to have you meet Brandi Carlile. The 200 Greatest Singers of All Time These really arent personal. But they took me seriously, but they also knew the seriousness and the impact of the help that they were giving me. While Shires might not have set out to make an album that reminds us of the power of women pursuing their own impulses, desires and ambitions with abandon, that perspective enlivens this bracing 10-song set. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. Do you need the reasons why? And I followed a dress code. Singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires still remembers the moment she fell in love with the fiddle. So when you started taking lessons with Frankie McWhorter and then became part of the band, how much did you know about Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys? Its as opposed to being in the uterus, where it belongs. The subject isnt talked about enough, Shires says. But his voice is much stronger and clearer than it was in the Truckers. If you share your story or share your beliefs, youre going to get some haters and trolls. And because of that, I felt like we should make it something thats as safe as it can possibly be. Amy Salit and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. What does that phrase mean to you? GROSS: Well, I want to play a song performed by The Highwomen, and the song is actually called The Highwomen, and its a song sung from the point of view of different women. So Amanda, you took fiddle lessons from Frankie McWhorter, who played with Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys from 60 to 62 62 was the year that Bob Wills had a heart attack and retired for a long time from music. But I did move a couple of times out of the house, not because it was a leaving thing, but because I didnt want to do anything that would harm, you know, make it worse. Soon after a Supreme Court draft ruling that would overturn Roe v. Wade was leaked last month, Amanda Shires shared some personal news on social media. So when I would write the songs, I dont know whats going to come out, but sometimes, it was so I was just so down that the only way I could get better was to take it out on writing a song. GROSS: Lawrence Rothman produced your new album. If you see my milk cow, please drive her on home cause I had no milk and butter no since my cows been gone. And so I felt in my mind, I felt those things. And then you also youve got guys thatll back you up. GROSS: That sounds really, really awful. GROSS: So we have to take another short break here, so let me reintroduce you. Theres not a lot of filler, not a lot of songs I would skip through, he says. Jason Isbell performs in Gulf Shores, Alabama. It was Fault Lines.. As it turns out, it did start some conversations within our own families. It's a sentiment that Shires has echoed many times since. In a June 2022 follow-up, the artist detailed for Rolling Stone her experience of ending a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy in August 2021. And in this case, I wanted Jason to also come in and sing it, too. GROSS: Thats Empty Cups from Amanda Shires new album, Take It Like A Man. Thats such a great song, Amanda. And then it was never like, oh, they have to be on a record once I do record them. So I couldnt really get into it. I know what the cost is in the octaves of consequence. I was snared by your wrist. Is that right? And because I was in the time of my life where I was having a disconnect in my marriage and not feeling great in with music but I discovered that it takes a lot to be vulnerable, and it takes a lot to talk to folks and to understand each other. GROSS: How did you end up actually playing in the Texas Playboys band? You can call it serious trouble cause thats what I want. 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